From: firstname.lastname@example.org (MARSHALL DUDLEY)
Subject: Another theory for Griggs device
Date: Sat, 17 Dec 1994 12:14 -0500 (EST)
In a previous post I hinted at another possibility of what may be
happening in the Griggs device when I mentioned "non-linearities in the
steam table" as one of several things that should be looked at. Since I
did not get any bites on that, let me outline a discussion I had with a
scientist from Oak Ridge National Labs about the Griggs device several
months ago. This dicsussion is off the record, and most likely will not
be collaborated, just as some of the results of their CF cell experiments
I had an occasion to meet with this person and begun describing the Griggs
device to him. After telling him how it worked I ended it with, "and it
is reported to produce more steam or hot water than then the input power
should produce". His response was "that's not surprising". I was almost
He then told me that is is a fairly well known fact among some researchers
that the published steam tables are wrong. The original team which made
up the steam tables found that toward the extremes (high pressure high
temperature and low pressure and temperature) there are unexplained
non-linearities. Since these non-linearities could not be explained, and
were shown to not obey the conservation of energy, they fudged the tables
to get rid of the non-linearities. They had assumed that there must be an
error in their measurements or equipment since it did not jive with
theory. Since then others have found the same thing, but none of them
will stick their neck out to declare that steam tables which have been in
use for decades are wrong, especially since there seems to be no theory to
explain these non-linearities. Anyway, he said that if you go through a
cycle of vaporization at one pressure and condensation at a higher
pressure and temperature, when you get back to the original temperature
and pressure the "corrected" steam table does not close. That is to say
accoring to the measurements there is steam left over which should not be
there, and by conservation of energy cannot be there. Anyway, he said
that it seems that such a device such as Griggs would enhance this
non-linearity effect and therefore produce more energy than is supplied.
He does not have the foggiest idea where the excess energy could come
from, but simply that given what he knows about the non-linearities in the
(corrected) steam tables, that seems like a good place to start looking.
I find the idea intriguing, but as with so many other theories, it leaves
one with as many questions as it gives answers.
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