Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 16:25:23 -0700 (PDT) From: Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. To: Ray Adams Cc: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> Subject: Re: Wrong, Wrong! On Sat, 27 May 1995, Ray Adams wrote: > Subject: Time:5:55 PM > OFFICE MEMO Wrong, Wrong! Date:5/27/95 > Please ignore the previous correction. > > It really IS Joe H. Mullins > > Oh Woe is me! > Heh! Feel free to give out my email address to anyone. This one (halcyon.com) is at work, so you should direct any correspondence to billb@eskimo.com. A later thought I had about the human interferometer: give each member of the array a proportional control (knob or slidepot) and let them move it in synch with the perceived beat between the "hum" and the reference oscillator. Wire these to give voltage outputs, and pipe them into a cheap data-aquisition board. This would give solid, precision time records of the response of the subjects. If tracked over a fair amount of time, the sloppy human responses could easily be processed to average out, and give much better values for phase and frequency. If phase differences CAN be perceived, then such a system could even have some simple software on the back end to create directional readings of hum source in realtime. It should be interesting to find out if the Hum is acoustic or RF. Standing waves might be a problem for both types, and vertical modes will make direction finding useless. But then, the human array could be spread out over a vertical apartment building to search for maxima and minima (if the signal is acoustic) A thought: if there are no centralized discussion groups for the Taos Hum, I could have one created on eskimo.com. If, for example, a group called taoshm-l is created, then anyone interested in the subject can send a subscription command to the list server, and forever afterwards any mail sent to taoshm-l@eskimo.com will be echoed to all subscribers. By simply replying to any message coming from taoshm-l, subscribers can send mail to it without having to type in the long email address. The overall effect is that of a compuserve forum, or an internet newsgroup, but accessed entirely via email. (This might be somewhat expensive for poor compuserve users, since compuserve charges them for each message received from internet.) If there is enough interest, and if such a thing does not exist already elsewhere, I can have it set up. Also: be careful about "cc:" in your email. It gave me Dr. Mullins' unm address in the message header. ===================================+================================== Bill Beaty Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. Industrial Optoelectronics 720 80th St. SW voice: 1-800-426-9184 Everett, WA 98203-6299 fax: 1-206-347-0544 Date: Sun, 28 May 1995 16:32:18 -0700 (PDT) From: Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. To: Ray Adams Subject: Re: Taos Hum On Fri, 26 May 1995, Ray Adams wrote: > Reply to: RE>>Taos Hum > Thanks again, Bill, for including some of the background that you and Sara > have discussed, and for her address on Compuserve. Several of your ideas > are very interesting - especially with regards to using the "hearers" as > direction finders - since they at present are really the ONLY "confirmed?" > means of detecting the signal. Ask Sara about the audio tape that someone made of the hum. It was based upon a high-gain transistor amplifier connected to a piezo. I haven't heard it myself. I could imagine that it is simply 60/120 hz hum from the ambient e-field from inside a house. But maybe not... > I wonder how a group of humans could > cooperate as a "coherent" array, however ;-) ? If each human listens to a weak, low freq signal on headphones, and the amplitude is adjusted to give a distinct beat-signal when the freq approaches that of the Hum signal, then the human subjects could easily wave hands slowly to and fro as the perceived hum became louder and softer at the beat frequency. If all subjects listen to an identical reference oscillator, then any differences in hand-waving will be caused by real phase differences in the Hum. This only works if the Hum is an acoustic signal. If it is E/M, then the subjects would have to be spaced many hundreds of miles apart before phase differences would become detectable. And the velocity of the reference oscillator signal being sent to the distant sites would require measurement. ===================================+================================== Bill Beaty Design Engineer Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. Industrial Optoelectronics 720 80th St. SW voice: 1-800-426-9184 Everett, WA 98203-6299 fax: 1-206-347-0544 Date: Fri, 26 May 1995 20:50:54 EST From: Ray Adams To: "Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp." Subject: Re: Taos Hum Reply to: RE>>Taos Hum Thanks again, Bill, for including some of the background that you and Sara have discussed, and for her address on Compuserve. Several of your ideas are very interesting - especially with regards to using the "hearers" as direction finders - since they at present are really the ONLY "confirmed?" means of detecting the signal. I wonder how a group of humans could cooperate as a "coherent" array, however ;-) ? Regards, Ray Adams -------------------------------------- Date: 5/26/95 12:05 PM To: Ray Adams From: Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. snip> - - - Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 13:42:09 EST From: Ray Adams To: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> Cc: Bill Beaty - Eaton/C-H , Joe Mullins - UNM Subject: Taos Hum Subject: Time:11:54 AM OFFICE MEMO Taos Hum Date:5/27/95 Hello Sara, Bill Beaty sent me your e-mail address, after I had posted an inquiry about the Taos Hum, on one of the Internet NewsGroups. I had also asked Joe Mullins if he knew anyone interested in Taos Hum, who might have an Internet address, and he also mentioned your name, but didn't have your address. I had earlier corresponded with Joe after tracking him down following the GMA (or NBC morning news show, I can't remember which) and he sent me a copy of the paper he delivered (plus several other items of interest that have grown out of the UNM studies) at the Acoustical Society meeting this past December. I was energized to track you down, by the NBC "Unsolved Mysteries" program (that aired) a few days ago, in which a woman was interveiwed (was that you?) who said something about "computer network" interconnections with other "hearers". I think that I am a "hearer". I started noticing a sort of "rumble" in the early morning hours a couple of years ago that I could not turn off (even by turning off the master power breaker in our home) and whose source I could not trace. I am all the more convinced that I am a "hearer" after reading the material Joe Mullins sent to me, and by comparing my experiences with the experiences had by those interviewed on TV. This past Christmastime, during a skiing trip to the Colorado Mountains, I consciously sought to determine whether I could hear the "Hum" at 9000 ft elevation (Near WinterPark, Co.) and I (sometimes) did - but it did not seem as distinct as it sometimes is, here at home. Then, after returning to Tennessee in January, the "hum" seemed to disappear for awhile, only to re-appear on the 11th of March, around 6:30am, EST. To give you a bit of background on myself, I am now retired after (8 years of) teaching Electrical Engineering at the University of Tennessee, in Knoxville. Prior to that, I was for 36+ years, an Engineer/Group-Leader in the Instrumentation and Controls Division of Oak Ridge National Laboratory, in Oak Ridge, TN. I was in charge of several groups doing measurements and controls work; The Metrology Laboratory, The Instrument Development Group, and the Personal Computer Support Group. Working in those groups rewarded me with first-hand knowledge of small-signal detection associated with (many, sometimes bizarre) physical phenomina. Although my later academic work was (mostly) in electrical engineering, my undergraduate degree was in Engineering Physics at the University of Colorado. Hence, I identify closely with (strange) physical phenomina, and the Western (Mountain States) US. When I corresponded with Joe Mullins, recently, I suggested that use of the Internet might be a useful way to engage the cooperative efforts of a large number of (widely dispersed) "hearers". Reading through some of the e-mail correcpondence (kindly sent to me by Bill Beaty) that Bill & you have had, has thoroughly convinced me that this could be quite productive of interesting and novel ideas. Of course, we would need to be aware that many of the ideas freely contributed would be worth just that, but there would seem to be little to lose, so long as we keep an open mind and stick to "physics". I should appreciate your updating me on what sorts of experiences and observations have been revealed through your e-mail "hum - an" network. Are hearers doing anything to quantify the times of onset and dissappearance (and relative amplitude) of the hum? If so, perhaps the sameness, or differences in those times from the observations of persons throughout the world would reveal "something". Toward the end of last year, even while shaving (electric razor), I would often know when the hum dissappeared, as it seemed to, between 7:00 and 8:00am EST. Had I been a better trained, or more highly motivated observer, I would have carefully noted those times. I'll look forward to hearing from you. Ray Adams Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams Date: Sat, 27 May 1995 16:18:56 EST From: Ray Adams To: Bill Beaty - Eaton/C-H Subject: FWD>Taos Hum Idea Subject: Time:2:32 PM OFFICE MEMO FWD>Taos Hum Idea Date:5/27/95 Bill, here is a copy of a note I sent to Joe Mullins at UNM. I do not have his permission to give you his e-mail address (nor your permission to give him yours), so that is the reason I did not copy you directly with my note to him. I will extract portions of his paper for you in the next day or so. I thought your interferometer idea, absolutely brilliant. I hope you don't mind my calling it a "hum-an" interferometer ;-) Ray -------------------------------------- Date: 5/27/95 4:12 PM From: Ray Adams Hi again, Joe, I now have the e-mail address of Sara Allen, sent to me as a result of an inquiry into the Taos Hum, that I made on an Internet (Physics) NewsGroup - just one example of the connectivity benefits of the Internet. The person who sent me Sara's address wondered if a copy of your (Acoustical Society) paper on the hum, might be available as a textfile, anywhere accessible on the Internet. Publishing (assuming the Acoustical Society would grant that kind of distribution) the paper in that form could serve to set a proper scientific tone (and quash other wierd descriptions of your studies) for the hum. I am sending him a brief extract of the paper and I am suggesting to him that he could write to you for a copy of the paper. Of course it would be so much simpler for you and him, if you just made a textfile of it available - say on an anonymous ftp server, there at UNM. Also, here is a really interesting suggestion that he (this person) made relative to learning more about the hum. He said, (my comments in [brackets] ): "One thing I've wondered about: humans who are sensitive to the Hum can hear beat notes against an audio oscillator, which makes possible the use of humans as phase-sensitive antennas. A simple experiment would be to see if adjacent humans pick up an identical phase of hum. If not, then the Hum may not be an external, independant signal. Or maybe it is a modulation of a very short wave signal [interesting conjecture!]. If humans DO detect identical phase over a few feet of spacing, then a long baseline interferometer with humans as detectors [all referenced via individual head-sets to the same phase audio tone] could possibly discover the hum wavelength [and thereby, the velocity of the propagation, since f would be known], propagation direction, etc. Several of these [hum-an interferometers] used simultaneously could triangulate upon a source." I think that some training of the array members might need to be done, but could easily be accomplished (out of doors) by using an acoustic source some distance away, along with the headphones and (phase standard) local oscillator. Fewer than a dozen observers could be spaced 5.5m (For sound propagation in air => lambda/2 at 30 Hz) apart. They could raise their hands (perhaps with eyes closed, to avoid influence by sight) when the beat note rises and falls. If the phase standard (local oscillator) were tuned (perhaps by ONE of the observers) one-half Hz away from the acoustic test source, the beat would be at one-half Hz, which is slow enough that (hand raising) response time might be neglected. The hum-an array could easily be faced normal to the (test) sound source, by an observer in position to see (the phase of) all the hands going up and down (who would be able to "rotate" the array via verbal instructions carried to the array members via their head-sets). In your paper, you made mention of the fact that the "Hum-Matching" tests indicated that not all observers set the frequency dial at the same place. As a musician, I can tell you that this is not an unexpected result, even if what they were all hearing was the very same tone. The reference-phase idea should eliminate that variability between observers, as now they would need only to respond to the beat note intensity. If the interferometer idea were to work, it could shed light on the propagation mechanism, because the wave length is so dependent on the transmission medium and the nature (acoustic or electromagnetic) of the "Hum". Even if the hum-an interferometer were to absolutely FAIL to be able to detect the direction and wavelength of the "hum", THAT would be something learned, about the "Hum". If it would make communicating easier with the "hum-an interferometer inventor" (the person who sent me Sara's address), let me know and I will give you his e-mail address and also send him yours. Regards, Ray Adams Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams Date: Thu, 25 May 1995 21:26:01 EST From: Ray Adams To: "Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp." Subject: Re: Taos Hum Reply to: RE>>Taos Hum Thanks so much for your reply, Bill. Someone else sent me the name of Sara Allen, but so far, no e-mail address. I would like to write her a message if it would not be too much trouble for you to find her e-mail address. One of the persons doing bona fide research work on the Taos Hum is Jim Mullins, at U of New Mexico. He retired from active teaching last December but is still doing some work on the Hum. He sent me an interesting paper that he delivered on the Hum, at the Acoustical Society in Austin, Tx, toward th end of last year. Thanks again for your note, hope you can find Sara Allen's e-mail address. Ray Adams -------------------------------------- Date: 5/25/95 1:05 PM To: Ray Adams From: Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. In article you wrote: : Has anyone seen a discussion (anywhere in a News Group) of Taos Hum - the : perceived low frequency "rumble" that about 15% of survey respondents near : Taos New Mexico have been "hearing"? There was a short discussion in alt.sci.physics.acoustics awhile back. Most of the online stuff on Taos Hum has been on Compuserve. If you want, I can look up the person who is actually trying to get some research done on the phenomena. Sarah Allen, I think it was, on cserve. Faraday shielded rooms don't stop it, sensitive VLF receivers and audio microphones don't detect it, and going down in a mineshaft makes it louder. We have one employee here who without prompting asked me about this funny noise he heard while camping. I said "sounds like a distant diesl generator?" Yep. That's the Hum. I hear that here in Seattle there is some kind of support group for those plagued by sensitivity to the constant noise. And one state senator got involved, reported that it was a military communication technique which was unexpectedly hearable by humans, but then retracted his statement and now says that the Hum does not exist. -- ===================================+================================== Bill Beaty Eaton/Cutler-Hammer Corp. Industrial Optoelectronics 720 80th St. SW voice: 1-800-426-9184 Everett, WA 98203-6299 fax: 1-206-347-0544 Date: 29 May 95 20:53:46 EDT From: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> To: Subject: The Hum Bill, A short note just to let you know that I received your e-mail. I also have an internet address which is sallen@laplaza.taos.nm.us It is a very heavily used community access so I am still on compuserve which I can access as necessary. Sometimes on the laplaza connect I just get a busy signal for hours and I don't like to stay up very late cruising the net cause then I am usually up til morning! :) Yes, I think it would be a good idea to have a central internet discussion group on the hum and yes, why don't you go ahead and set it up. Several of us are planning a national convention of hearers sometime in August. We haven't yet settled on a place but it is looking like the upper Michigan penninsula which is where Hal lives, right near the ELF site, which, BTW, he is apparently getting some cooperation from, as they have offered to have a planned shutdown to see if indeed that they are the source of the problem. Anyway, I want to keep this short right now as I have a house guest and all. Thanks for your continued interest. You can use either the internet address or the compuserve address. For now the CIS address is the more efficient. Do you use Pretty Good Privacy? It is a good way to discuss sensitive issues without fear of being eavesdropped on. Sara E-mail from: Sara T. Allen, 29-May-1995 Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hum tape Sara: I haven't kept track of Hum discussion since last fall. Did the person with the tape recording of the piezo sensor manage to reproduce his device? Also, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for me to get involved with the group in Seattle. I've long been interested in trying out hum- cancelling ideas, the beatwave direction finder, etc. One person here at work can hear the hum, but only while camping far from civilization. He actually approached me about it since I have a reputation for interest in natural anomalies. He had never heard of "Taos Hum" before, and is a skeptical academic type as well. Yet that desiel generator just over the hill keeps rumbling... .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page To: billb@eskimo.com (William Beaty- eskimo) From: adams@ece.engr.utk.edu (Ray Adams) Organization: University of Tennessee Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 11:12:01 EST Subject: Thanks! Subject: Time:11:16 AM OFFICE MEMO Thanks! Date:6/1/95 Hi Bill, Yes, the TaosHum newslist seems to be working! Thanks for subscribing me. Sara had mentioned that you were setting it up and I think it will be an asset to those interested persons who want to contribute to the group. Regards, Ray Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 13:54:00 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hum tape Sara: I haven't kept track of Hum discussion since last fall. Did the person with the tape recording of the piezo sensor manage to reproduce his device? Also, I'm wondering if it would be worthwhile for me to get involved with the group in Seattle. I've long been interested in trying out hum- cancelling ideas, the beatwave direction finder, etc. One person here at work can hear the hum, but only while camping far from civilization. He actually approached me about it since I have a reputation for interest in natural anomalies. He had never heard of "Taos Hum" before, and is a skeptical academic type as well. Yet that desiel generator just over the hill keeps rumbling... .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page To: billb@eskimo.com (William Beaty- eskimo) From: adams@ece.engr.utk.edu (Ray Adams) Organization: University of Tennessee Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 17:44:50 EST Subject: FWD>RE>Wrong again! Regarding: FWD>RE>Wrong again! Note the permission to use Joe Mullins e-mail address AND the description of the phase experiment. BTW, when you mentioned a lonnnng wavelength, could you have been thinking about a larrrrrge frequency in one of your previous notes? Maybe I misunderstood, but my thinking of what you said didn't jibe with V=F*(Lambda). I see that I have just received a message (not yet read) from Sara Allen. Thanks again for giving me her address. Ray -------------------------------------- Date: 5/30/95 11:45 AM From: joe h mullins Ray No problem about the name -- Joe is correct (even legal: my parents named me Joe, not Joseph, although that has been no end of confusion for some more rigid bureaucratic types, who can't seem to understand that it is not really Joseph!) The phase idea also was mentioned by my graduate student on the project, who is building the equipment we are planning to use on the next set of tests on hearers and non-hearers. This equipment will be able to record, automatically, the responses of subjects to things such as hearing thresholds, and consequently could also record the frequency of "beats" assuming they are slow enough to allow the subject to react by pushing a button in synchronism with a beat. His idea, however, was prompted by the fact that many, in fact most, of the hearers report that the sound "pulses" at a rate somewhere between .5 and 2 hz, and that a different pulse rate between two hearers would already tell one something about whether this is an identifiable external source. Or it might not. I have no problem with the distribution of e-mail addresses. That's what they are for! Sometimes, however, I forget to check my mail for a few days, so I might not be as prompt as may be desired in answering. Joe Mullins Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 09:42:50 -0600 (MDT) From: joe h mullins To: Ray Adams Subject: Re: Wrong again! Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams To: billb@eskimo.com (William Beaty) From: adams@ece.engr.utk.edu (Ray Adams) Organization: University of Tennessee Date: Tue, 30 May 1995 20:30:37 EST Subject: Re: Hum Reply to: RE>Hum Ah yes - I'm guilty of a sort of twist on the old "what I heard was not what you said" phenominon. Thanks for the re-explanation. I sent a note on the hum to a couple of physicist type friends of mine. One of them (an excessivily orderly type who ranks lots of things by probabilities - [has only one child]) has written me a reply of a couple of pages, which I am still digesting. However, he said that he had heard of the Taos Hum on the "fringe watchers alert" some time ago. Am I missing out on all sorts of other types of phenomina that I could also "experience" just because of not knowing about "fringe watchers"? In the case of the hum I "heard" it before I knew that others were "hearing" and talking about it - as I gather is the case with many, if not most hum "hearers" -------------------------------------- Date: 5/30/95 6:47 PM To: Ray Adams From: William Beaty On Tue, 30 May 1995, Ray Adams wrote: > BTW, when you mentioned a lonnnng wavelength, > could you have been thinking about a larrrrrge frequency in one of your > previous notes? Maybe I misunderstood, but my thinking of what you said > didn't jibe with V=F*(Lambda). I'll have to look through my sentmail, I don't recall. I'm visualizing the earth/ionosphere waveguide resonance, with the fundamental being somewhere around 7.5Hz. If 7.5 corresponds to the entire earth, then 60Hz or 120Hz is still going to span many hundreds of KM at 1/4wave spacing of 'hearers.' Exotic possibilities: the Hum might involve electrostatic waves through the earth's bulk, rather than EM in the ionospheric waveguide. If so, an ELF loop antenna might not detect them, while a vertical whip with high impedance amp would. I think. Such waves might not be possible if rock is too conductive, or they might just act like another set of EM earth resonances. It's one more thing to try. Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams Date: Thu, 01 Jun 1995 23:40:41 -0400 (EDT) From: LASSEY@delphi.com Subject: Taos Hum To: billb@eskimo.com If you form a list based on the Taos Hum, please include me: lassey@delphi.com. A report on the hum is available from The University of New Mexico, Public Affairs Department, 1805 Roma NE, Albuquerque, New Mexico 87131-0011. Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 07:39:59 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Hum info To all: Does anyone here know of any Taos Hum info files online anywhere? I can put link buttons to them from my Weird Science web page, and give the internet people a place to get questions answered. If there is enough material, I could even start a separate Web page. So, anyone feel like typing in a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) document? Or a history of the Hum? Or a bibliography? .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Date: 02 Jun 95 23:10:48 EDT From: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Hum info >> So, anyone feel like typing in a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) document? Or a history of the Hum? Or a bibliography? << It is time for me to put together a concise history of the search for the hum. Give me a week or two and I'll upload you a file. Sara E-mail from: Sara T. Allen, 02-Jun-1995 Date: 05 Jun 95 23:22:35 EDT From: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Reply to: Re: Hum info >> Another possibility (something I tend to do myself) is to answer good questions as they come, then save my writing for later editing and publication. << With all my good intentions, that will probably be the way it comes down. I WANT to write about the hum but living conditions at the moment are not conducive to writing. It is planting time in the Northern New Mexico mountains and I've got hundreds of vegetable starts to transplant as well as seed to sow. Also, I am moving in with my mom for awhile so I have to go through several years of accumulated nonsense to find the things that I need to have around me every day, of course the computer is high on the list as well as the VCR, TV, stereo and on and on. :) Anyway, I will do the best that I can. Sara E-mail from: Sara T. Allen, 05-Jun-1995 Date: 07 Jun 95 09:57:30 EDT From: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Reply to: Re: Reply to: Re: Hum info >> I find that have some old files of your discussion on the Hum which I could edit a bit as a start. Don't feel pushed! The Internet suddenly discovers the Hum and wants the whole story, now! But this has been going on since, when, 1988? << Thanks! :) Sara E-mail from: Sara T. Allen, 07-Jun-1995 Date: 07 Jun 95 09:57:36 EDT From: "Sara T. Allen" <72164.3606@compuserve.com> To: Subject: Post some old msgs? >> OK if I post an old compuserve message of yours here and on the WWW page? It goes like this: << No problem with me to post any old messages of mine. And no problem with any threads having to do with hum discussions. I have several myself. I am not sure of the protocol involved in putting third parties CIS id #'s and names on the internet without their permission. Am I just being overly cautious? Sara E-mail from: Sara T. Allen, 07-Jun-1995 Date: Fri, 2 Jun 1995 15:30:32 -0700 (PDT) From: David Dawson To: taoshum-L@eskimo.com Subject: Introduction Hello! I have just joined the list. I'll be in New Mexico this summer... I wonder if anyone can suggest a good place to visit to see if I can hear the hum? Thanks. == David Dawson = == == ddawson@eskimo.com = "Mean old 'Frisco, and that low-down Santa Fe" == == Seattle, WA USA = - Big Bill Broonzy == == = == Date: Sun, 4 Jun 1995 12:48:29 -0700 From: Bill Robicheaux To: taoshum-L@eskimo.com Subject: Taos Hum >An email discussion list for 'Taos Hum' research, questions, general >discussion, etc. has just started up at taoshum-L@eskimo.com > >The Taos Hum is a constant low noise which sounds like a diesil engine in >the distance, and is generally heard in quiet environments far from >cities. Some people cannot hear it at all, while others are extremely >sensitive. The source of the sound is still a mystery. Intresting - I have never heard of this before. Allow me to introduce myself, my name is Bill Robicheaux, Age - mid 40's, Occupation - retired EE with expertise in EMC (Electro-Magnetic Compatability), Obsessions - Sailing, Psycology, Metaphysics, Environmental science, etc. :^) Since I know nothing of this phenomenon other than what is described above, I would like to ask a few questions to enter into this discussion: (1) Has this sound ever been measured at different localities around the globe? If so, does the intensity change, and does it appear to come from all directions from the location of measurement? Has the frequency spectrum of this noise been determined? (2) It is fairly well known that very low frequency sound can be heard over tremendous distances. For instance, it is now known that some birds navigate their migration routes by determining the direction of the ocean's roar of the surf even from the central U.S. Some possible sources of this sound may be: (a) The ocean surf, (b) the combined sound of thunder around the world (there are approximately 300 to 500 lightning strokes per second around the world), (c) the combined sound of vehicular traffic, (d) the background seismic tremor, (e) combinations of all of the above. (3) In his book, "The Global Brain", Peter Russell refers to a "Gaiafield" of planetary collective energy. There is a possibility that this "Taos Hum" is direct evidence of such a field (which has many interesting possibilities) (4) Before the existence of motor powered vessels on the oceans of the world, whales could communicate through the water with others around the world. The background "din" of motor vessels has drastically reduced the range of the whale's communication ability. If the oceans are a "sounding board" this "background noise" may likely be transferred to vibrations in the air, as well as the water. I would like to offer my skills as an analog design engineer towards exploring the nature of this "Taos Hum", given the proper resources and adaquate time (of which I have little at present.) I hope the discussion is limited to exploration and scientific discovery, rather than becoming a forum for unverifiable beliefs. I shall contribute what I can. Please fill me in regarding the details of this "Taos Hum". Thanks, and "Hum" to all of you. :^) :) E-mail: robi@halcyon.com * . . | \ / /\ :+ /\ "I am what I am, and :) :) Bill Robicheaux (Row-be-show) /| - O -/ \ ./ \ that's all that I am" :) :) Renton, Washington, USA _R_/_|__/ \/ \/ \Popeye the sailor man :) ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~d\______/~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ To: billb@eskimo.com (William Beaty- eskimo) Cc: 72164.3606@compuserve.com (Sara T. Allen), jmullins@unm.edu (Joe Mullins - UNM (Ret'd)) From: adams@ece.engr.utk.edu (Ray Adams) Date: Mon, 05 Jun 1995 14:22:37 EST Subject: Re: Hum info Reply to: RE>Hum info Hi Bill, (cc's to Joe Mullins and Sara Allen) Bill, I've re-directed this reply to you directly, rather than to the list. I will be happy to type in some questions (see below) about T-H, but someone else should provide the answers. Would you be willing to assemble submitted questions and answers into an FAQ document? I would think that Sara or Joe Mullins would be the best ones to supply answers, don't you think? (perhaps they could collaborate on the answers). Also, I would suggest that the FAQ document be considered a "live" and frequently revised document, what do you think? The Newslist is (as of 6/5) beginning to recieve some very interesting new (at least to me) ideas. Also, what happened to the idea that the Mullins-Poteet (Acoustical Society) Paper be made available in text form for downloading by list subscribers (and others)? Q1 - How do most of the "hearers" describe the Taos Hum (T-H) ? Q2 - What is the approximate percentage of the population of Taos NM, who claim to have heard T-H? Q3 - From reports of "hearers" in parts of the world other than in Taos, NM, what may be said about the global distribution of T-H? Q4 - What sorts of psychological (or other) evaluations suggest that T-H is not a hoax or some sort of "mass hysteria" ? Q5 - What were the acoustic "hum-matching" tests that were run by the University of New Mexico (UNM) researchers, on "hearers" in Taos NM? Q6 - What frequencies (and modulation) do T-H "hearers" perceive, as a result of the hum-matching tests? Q7 - What was revealed by electromagnetic spectrum scans during the tests in Taos, NM? Q8 - What percentage of the T-H "hearers" in the Taos hum matching tests reported hearing "beat frequencies" of the test oscillator, against their T-H perceived sound? Q9 - Is there any quantitative evidence for or against the idea that (the US Navy's) ELF communication system is a possible cause of T-H? Q10 - What are some possible explanations for why "hearers" who are very sensitive to T-H (those who are significantly "bothered" by it) say that wearing ear plugs or other acoustic "quieting" devices, does not help reduce T-H? Q11 - What research efforts in possible human conversion of non-acoustic signals into percieved sound are in progress? That is, has anyone postulated any mechanism (in humans) that could explain how a person could serve as a detector for ELF, or electrostatic waves or atmospheric gravity waves, etc.? Q12 - Did the Taos tests show that the acoustic responses of T-H "hearers" was more sensitive (than "average" persons), at the low frequencies of T-H? -------------------------------------- Date: 6/2/95 10:43 AM To: Ray Adams From: taoshum-l To all: Does anyone here know of any Taos Hum info files online anywhere? I can put link buttons to them from my Weird Science web page, and give the internet people a place to get questions answered. If there is enough material, I could even start a separate Web page. So, anyone feel like typing in a FAQ (Frequently Asked Questions) document? Or a history of the Hum? Or a bibliography? .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL 102 Wendover Circle Oak Ridge, TN 37830 Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU AOL: Ray Adams Date: Wed, 7 Jun 1995 11:53:08 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: Info on the Hum On Wed, 7 Jun 1995, David Dawson wrote: > Bill - please say more about the hum being heard here in Seattle! Where, > when, etc... You'll have to wait for Sara A. to respond. There apparently is a group out here. She was on a local TV show last year in Seattle. Also, someone at work approached me out of the blue about this noise he was hearing during campouts... I haven't heard the Hum myself. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Date: Thu, 1 Jun 1995 22:43:57 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: LASSEY@delphi.com Subject: Re: Taos Hum On Thu, 1 Jun 1995 LASSEY@delphi.com wrote: > If you form a list based on the Taos Hum, please include me: > lassey@delphi.com. A report on the hum is available from The University > of New Mexico, Public Affairs Department, 1805 Roma NE, Albuquerque, > New Mexico 87131-0011. It's up today! To subscribe, send this: subscribe taoshum-L youremailaddrhere Send it to: majordomo@eskimo.com You'll get a greeting message, then start getting mail from the group. To send mail, send it to taoshum-l@eskimo.com .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Date: Wed, 14 Jun 1995 08:33:03 -0600 (MDT) From: Carlos Melendez To: Ray Adams Cc: William Beaty- eskimo Subject: Re: Where is FAQ file? On Tue, 13 Jun 1995, Ray Adams wrote: > Subject: Time:10:16 PM > OFFICE MEMO Where is FAQ file? Date:6/13/95 > Hi Bill, > > cc: Carlos Melendez > > I thought that in a recent message, you inferred (maybe I am the one > drawing inferences) that you posted (as a file) the FAQ Q's I submitted so > that they could begin to (magically) accumulate answers. Yet, I cannot > find that the taoshum-L has ANY associated files (according to the reply > that majordomo gave me (last week) when I asked what files there are). > > I was just thinking that since Joe Mullins' grad student (Carlos Melendez) > has subscribed to the list that perhaps he might want to take on the task > of generating answers to FA questions and also maybe put up some > (educational type) Q's of his own, based on the sources of knowledge, there > at UNM. That way, we could be reasonably sure that the FAQ file doesn't > take off in some really wierd direction. > > I'll look forward to your comments (and also your pointer to where the file > is, if I correctly interpreted what I thought you said ;-) > > Ray > > > Raymond K. Adams (Twice retired ) > Formerly: Univ. of Tennessee ECE Dept. > Formerly formerly: I&C Div. ORNL > 102 Wendover Circle > Oak Ridge, TN 37830 > Internet: ADAMS@ECE.ENGR.UTK.EDU > AOL: Ray Adams > > > Ray, I would be happy to reply to any questions that may be generated on this list. I must admit my ignorance as to the exact workings and nomenclature within this type (list) of service; for instance, what is this FAQ file? As far as posting questions, I have many. I would like your input, as well as other people's, as to the direction this list is seeking to take. Carlos Melendez / +------------/--+ UU UU NN NN MM MM | / | UU UU NNN NN MMM MMM | *Taos | UU UU NN N NN MM M M MM | / | UU UU NN N NN MM M M MM | / | UU UU NN NNN MM M MM | * | UUU NN NN NN NN | ABQ | | | University of New Mexico, USA | | Mechanical Engineering | ________+ +_______\ "TECHNOLOGY: No place for wimps" - Dilbert Date: Thu, 8 Jun 1995 12:44:19 -0600 (MDT) From: Carlos Melendez To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Greetings Hello everyone, I am Carlos Melendez, a graduate student working on my Master's in Mechanical Engineering at the University of New Mexico in Albuquerque. For the past year and a half I have been working with two other researchers (Dr. James Kelly and Dr. Joe Mullins) on this phenomenon that has become known as the Taos Hum. I'm glad this list has been initiated and look forward to the exchange of ideas and information. Carlos Melendez / +------------/--+ UU UU NN NN MM MM | / | UU UU NNN NN MMM MMM | * Taos | UU UU NN N NN MM M M MM | / | UU UU NN N NN MM M M MM | / | UU UU NN NNN MM M MM | * | UUU NN NN NN NN | ABQ | | | University of New Mexico, USA | | Mechanical Engineering | ________+ +_______\ "TECHNOLOGY: No place for wimps" - Dilbert Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 09:44:40 +0100 To: taoshum-L@eskimo.com From: Vanessa Spedding Subject: Hello Hi I've just subscribed to this list and am wondering if anybody is out there? Haven't had any mail yet. I came across Bill Beatty's page by accident one day and was absolutely stunned to read about the hum. My last year in rural U.K. has been spent driving everybody mad with my convictions that there is an idling lorry engine somewhere nearby. In the end I virtually went mad myself and then decided it was a medical problem and resigned myself to a lifetime of solitary, low frequency tinnitus. The concept of Taos hum is a revelation. If anybody wants to chat more about it (hoping you haven't covered so much you're bored by now) I'm all ears :-) Vanessa Date: Thu, 13 Jul 1995 07:10:24 -0700 (PDT) From: The Science Club To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Hello On Thu, 13 Jul 1995, Vanessa Spedding wrote: > Hi > I've just subscribed to this list and am wondering if anybody is out there? > Haven't had any mail yet. Hi Vanessa! This discussion group is new, and soon after it started there was a hacker attack on the Eskimo site. The site is currently up, but with inhibited login while security is upgraded. I've finally got back online through another system. I think that an article on my WWW page mentioned the existance of a group of hum-sensitive people in the UK (called 'hummers' by the press). Anyone here know how to contact them? If there are other groups like this, I can start a list of addresses on the web page. Sara? **************************************************************************** Bill Beaty THE SCIENCE CLUB sciclub@halcyon.com School Outreach Programs Seattle, WA Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 13:02:04 +0100 To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com From: Vanessa Spedding Subject: Re: replies Bill Beaty wrote: >Hi Vanessa! > >This discussion group is new, and soon after it started there was a >hacker attack on the Eskimo site. The site is currently up, but with >inhibited login while security is upgraded. I've finally got back online >through another system. Hi Bill, Thanks for your reply and explanations. I wonder, as a sideline, what hackers hope to gain from plundering the Eskimo site? Thanks also to others that responded privately or otherwise. If anyone *does* know contact details for the UK "hummers" I'd be very interested. Meanwhile I'm really looking for general feedback on whether people think the Hum is a form of low frequency tinnitus (which I'm quite prepared to accept even if it does feel very external) or whether there are any other plausible explanations. (Not really into underground aliens theories I'm afraid ;-) I'm away, and so will be silent, for a while, however. Vanessa Date: Sat, 15 Jul 1995 09:19:58 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: replies On Sat, 15 Jul 1995, Vanessa Spedding wrote: > Hi Bill, > > Thanks for your reply and explanations. I wonder, as a sideline, what > hackers hope to gain from plundering the Eskimo site? It's just vandalism by some immature idiot. The current story is that an eskimo user boasted of the security features at this site, so the hacker had to prove his machismo by breaking in and trashing files. But since unix systems are not very secure, it doesn't take a lot to do this. The vandal certainly proved his mettle by attacking a small hobbyist-type company having two employees and not much overhead. > Meanwhile I'm really looking for general feedback on whether people think > the Hum is a form of low frequency tinnitus (which I'm quite prepared to > accept even if it does feel very external) or whether there are any other > plausible explanations. (Not really into underground aliens theories I'm > afraid ;-) The best theory I've heard is that the hum originates with the worldwide military submarine communications system. This would explain why it seems to change intensity as international incidents occur. But if this is the source, then the hum is ELF radio frequencies, and will be easily shielded by iron enclosures. Since it seems not to be shieldable, then this theory doesn't work. There is always the possibility that the military has discovered some new physics which makes unconventional communications devices possible, and this is the origin of the hum. Tesla claimed that his World System radio was not based on radio waves, though modern researchers believe otherwise. In the '50s a Dr. Hooper explored an unshieldable electrostatic field which originates with electron motion in wires, but his work has been ignored. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Date: Sun, 16 Jul 1995 09:58:27 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@eskimo.com Subject: Tinnitus FAQ There is a group involved with tinnitus which has a Frequently Asked Questions file posted on the WWW. For any with interest, I just put its link to it on the Taos Hum page. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:13:02 -0700 (PDT) From: William Beaty To: taoshum-l@mail.eskimo.com Subject: Re: Seattle people On Fri, 23 Jun 1995, David Dawson wrote: > Bill - > > I'd be glad to help with the experiment, if you could use someone to > assist with sound equipment, etc. . I haven't heard the hum, but I'm going to > Santa Fe and Taos in July, and I'll give a listen. Any tips on where to go > to hear the hum? Or is it 'everywhere'? > > On Thu, 22 Jun 1995, William Beaty wrote: > > > > I'd like to get in touch with anyone in Seattle who can hear the Hum. > Hi David. I'm answering old mail from before the crash. I'm not a hum 'hearer,' but someone at work is, and says he hears it on campouts in the NW. I don't think it's a lot louder in Taos, it's just that the media flap started there. So far I've not met anyone local who can hear it reliably. .....................uuuu / oo \ uuuu........,............................. William Beaty voice:206-762-3818 bbs:206-789-0775 cserv:71241,3623 EE/Programmer/Science exhibit designer http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/ Seattle, WA 98117 billb@eskimo.com SCIENCE HOBBYIST web page From: JKarleen@aol.com Received: by mail02.mail.aol.com (1.37.109.16/16.2) id AA175850382; Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:26:22 -0400 Date: Mon, 31 Jul 1995 21:26:22 -0400 To: taoshum-L@eskimo.com Subject: Hum on -Sightings- Just thought I'd drop a note and let everyone know that the -Sightings- program is going to air a segment on the Hum during the new television week to start August 5. I don't know whether this is a repeat of their original April program or new material, but in case you missed the -Sightings- announcement on this week's show, thought I'd repeat it here. Wishing you all "humless" days! Judy Cole