See the messages below. Interesting effect... but is it yet another Newsgroup hoax? The message seems vaguely familiar. I recall seeing it a couple of years ago, maybe. Weight change can come from air jets, so any motorized "antigrav" device needs to be placed inside a plastic bag, to eliminate reaction force from ejected air. Also, I wouldn't trust any commercial balance or scales to give correct readings when vibrated. Therefor the experimenters need to try inserting some vibration isolation, to assure that the measured weight change is still the same when the measuring device is vibrated less. Maybe the device is thrusting upwards, rather than decreasing in weight. Turn it upside-down, and does it weigh more? Hang it from a string as a pendulum, mount it turned sideways, and does it deflect its position (by sideways thrust?) What is REALLY interesting is the reported effect on CRTs and flourescent lights. Spinning magnets shouldn't do such things. If it were me, I would want to eliminate the electric motor as a possible noise source. Try operating the device with the magnets disk removed, to see if the effects on CRTs and lighting is from the drive motor or from the spinning magnets. From: ecogen@iol.ie (Chris Eccles) Newsgroups: sci.physics.electromag Subject: Mystified by Results Date: Mon, 5 Oct 1998 08:49:02 +0100 Organization: genesis Message-ID: <1dgf37j.1qva74l1r4wg9uN@dialup-042.ennis.iol.ie> NNTP-Posting-Host: dialup-042.ennis.iol.ie Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Newsreader: MacSOUP 2.3 Lines: 44 Xref: hub1.ispnews.com sci.physics.electromag:8005 I don't often post to news but, this time, I feel that someone out there might offer me an answer to a wierd outcome of an experiment. I have spent my entire career in mainstream physics research and have always been amused (often annoyed) by the "crankies" who believe in teleportation, spoon-bending, etc etc etc, and have consistently held the view that these fringe things belong firmly outside what I call physics. A few weeks back, my lab assistant got some stuff off the net about a "magneto-gravity" device, accompanied by some notes by Tom Bearden. This swatch of paper was lying about in the lab office and I happened to read it. Out of nothing but bemused interest, I said to my team, "Lets build this crap and see what happens...." We constructed a variant of the device shown in the drawings which accompanied the data. This consisted of a Duralumin disc (350mm dia) which could be spun on a motor shaft, using a Picador bearing which we had lying about. The disc was made to spin 1.5mm eccentric and was fitted with twelve button magnets around its periphery, with all their N poles facing outwards, by fixing the magnets to 90-degree offcuts of alloy angle. The whole thing was then mechanically balanced by adding extra thin strips of copper busbar (!) to compensate for the eccenticity. When tested, the disc displayed some imbalance but this was easily corrected until we had it running smoothly at 2850 rpm from a mains-powered 750W motor. So far so good. We then rigged an enclosing fence of alloy strip around the disc, on which we mounted twelve more button magnets with their S poles facing inwards. The clearance between the disc-mounted magnets and the peripheral ones varied by ±0.75mm as the disc turned. The whole shazam was mounted on an acrylic baseplate and weighed. It was 14.26 kg. When we switched the motor in, the weird shit happened. The balance showed a loss of grav mass of the assembly of some 550 grams (3.85%) and every computer terminal and fluorescent lamp in the lab went ape ! Is this real, or should I take a holiday ? Can anyone offer an explanation ? Chris Since the first test of the device, we have not done a great deal but the interest shown by subscribers to this group (reflected in the pile of email I have received) has made me reserve some more lab time for further investigations. To the many who wrote to me (rightly sceptical) I have to say unequivocally that this is NOT some kind of hoax. It's nowhere near April 1st and I am 50 years old, a serious researcher with a healthy career in mainstream electronic physics, and not given to the kind of tom-foolery that belongs in the student common-room during rag-week. What we are talking about here is the possibility of some kind of hitherto-unknown relationship between dynamically-changing tensor fields. Magnetism, particularly intrinsic, remanent magnetism, is one of the few phenomena that remain relatively badly delineated by current quantum theory and I, for one, am prepared to admit that there are huge holes in my own fundamental understanding of it. If a simple, but rarely-occuring-in-nature, juxtaposition of non-scalar fields is capable of either creating (or destroying) spin-2, zero mass mediating particles, then there is the real possibility of manipulating and engineering the gravitational field. It becomes an exciting prospect but not one which should lead any of us into assuming that the Sinclaire device actually manifests such an effect. The secondary EM effects are quite interesting. Has anyone else built anything which comes close to displaying the same anomalies ? Please feel free to email me direct and suggest guidelines for a concerted research pathway on this. There is too much indiscipline and disorganisation in "fringe" physics for anyone to feel secure about such work. Lack of published matter in mainstream journals (for obvious and valid reasons) gives rise to the feeling that one is trying to "swim through treacle" even commencing such a programme of research. It is, I think, fundamentally important to distinguish between a mass-shielding effect (where a device purports to alter the measured strength of the Earth's [or any] grav field "above" the device), and an effect which indicates that an entire, physically-linked, chunk of equipment can be made to behave as though it has shed grav mass. The one case illustrates that a tensor field can be manipulated vectorally (and few would find fault with the math of this); the other possibly is suggesting that a property of matter which we have all believed to be sacrosanct and writ-in-stone for several centuries is, in fact, a deal more woolly than we believed it to be. I remain very puzzled. Author: Chris Eccles Email: ecogen@iol.ie Date: 1998/10/18 Forums: sci.physics.electromag I have just been told by someone in the lab that what we actually have built is nearly a replica of something called the Searl Levi-Disk. It is exceedingly difficult to get any sound and reliable information from anyone on this device ! I appreciate the email from Mr Sterniman; it seems well-reasoned and I am replying soon when I have attempted to set the math of it straight in my own terms. I am unused to newsgroups and their etiquette, and I hope regular readers will forgive the inevitable confusion of a novitiate ? It seems that we can summarise as follows: ----------------------------------------- When the flux of an N-pole cuts the flux of an S-pole such that the tensor fields experience the maximum tendency to repel (pi/2), we create an electric field in whatever gap exists between the sources of the flux. We will also, a priori, because of the fact that the disk does not rotate its magnets in concentricity with those on the outer wall, be setting up a variation of transfer of angular momentum of the electromagnetic field associated with the electric field cutting flux all the time the disk is turning. This eccentricity has an interesting locus and traces out a cylindrical path of wall-thickness equal to twice the original eccentricity of the magnet ring on the disk (when stationary). We are going to run the device again soon, using a remote spring balance to ascertain the apparent mass loss so that there is no chance of an interaction between the pan balance and the device. Also, in answer to many queries, "No, it's not electromagnetic interference from the motor which caused the strange effects." Running the motor free is fine. It came from a vacuum pump which had been running in the lab for ages ! Anyway, after thirty years in physics, I've yet to encounter a 50Hz mains induction motor that could dim-out flu-tubes and blow up LCD's. More news when we have it. Please keep ideas flowing in - this device threatens to prevent me from building the HV/HF switches which we are supposed to be producing !!!!! Chris