Date: Thu, 16 Mar 2000 14:22:31 EET From: s To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: it works!! Hi Bill I would like to not tell my name and where I live. Thanks I am a regular reader of your site, I am an electronic engineer and I am working on antigravity projects secretly in my home in my country. I just want to tell you that the gravity capacitor works as the writer say. I complete and test it. the voltage it depend from dielectric material. I didn't roll all the positives and negatives I made teams of 30 layers for better control and testing. weights only 0.962 Kgr and in full charge its negative weight is 5.481 Kgr. VDG "energy" is the best and safest for dielectric. I didn't tell to anyone yet except my family and my close friends. I don't know what to do yet. I will prepear a video (avi) and photos to you. Date: Sun, 19 Mar 2000 23:39:20 EET To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Hello again William, I am sorry for bad english in my mail as you can understand is not my mother language and I try to explain with poor english I know. Thank you so much for the advices. I want to tell you that I am a bit afraid. I want to tell you what I did exactly so you can or any other person can duplicate the capacitor. I am happy that my telephone doesn't ring. I want to keep it that way. And if you think that this mail can help the people who experiment to antigravity, you can place it to your site. I think alot the last days and I decide to not keep it secret any more. I will make a video tape with me not showing my face and the device demonstrating and explaining what I can. I will post then a copy to all media I can to play it. Something like that. Also I want to explain to you that the situation here is very very critical, so I talk to my close friend and he advise me to change mail address when I send mails to you or to anyone with the subject about the capacitor. { so maybe the point is how long I will be stay alive to communicate with you and the all the people who want to ask me informations} Forget the capacitors you know. That thing is NOT a capacitor. Is only similar in the construction. But that devise USE the capacitance to keep the charge in large quantities. Nothing more to do with the regular capacitors. Now I think that the geometrical shape of the plates and the position of them is the key, But I can not explain to you how.?? I have to tell you that I am finished the University as an electronic engineer 6 years before but I work on physics because is something that nobody understand. I do not think that I have much scientific knowlege. And I guess few people know what is happening with the etheric laws. The capacitor is a real powerful thing, I mean that if I let it free after i charge it I will have accident for sure. It keeps going to its positive side. I cannot measure the voltage that it build because I don't have instruments. I use a big glass box like the one you put fish inside but bigger, with the capacitor inside with the positive up, and an weight measure machine on top of the capacitor. Closing the box I had all those stable and the weight machine set to 0. Instant ~5,4 Kgr on the scale when I hit it with working van de graff I made for testing it. Dont use electronic weight machine it will show instant funny characters and it will stop!!??. In fact any electrical device above the hole and 10cm higher the electrical will not function properly and under the hole (and the affected area getting bigger as you go away of it as the force going something like conical thrust )of the capacitor will not function at all. Which mean that the electrons in circuits stop runing. Now If I do not use the glass box and I lock the device with four sort equal strings to the negative end with a table or ground ( I use a table) and I charge , then the capacitor kick its self up, now when I presed with the stick one of the four strings the capacitor was turning from the side I presed. So All I want to say to you is that the force is directional (thrust is appearing always on the negative side). With few words it acts as it was a rocket without the fire. No noise. Careful do not touch the glass if is not grounded after the discharge and do not touch or be near of the charghed capacitor is not a game. If you was saying how its react you could say that for your self. I am afraid to be near of it when its charged. Also I use a barrel full of oil for discharging. And all that I do with extreme caution, using long sticks etc. My Opinion is that do not use it inside the same room. Probably is emits something bad. I don't know. I am not psychotic person I am always cool (at least I try). I have used the device 4 times. Is not easy if you do not have the correct instruments and equipments. I use continuous charge from VDG mothing special circuits. The capacitor reacts instant and constant. The discharge is very dangerous and I have never left it to discharge by it self yet to know the time. but if you use my plate ring as it shown in the scaned image ( in scale) you will finish much faster. Also the electrostatic leakage is very limited because of the curved angles. Also the capacitance will be successive because there will be no air trapped between the plates, using the ring I suggest. About the construction I followed all instruction except that I had the waxed paper printed as the plates to be on top so I can place the plates exactly where should be, (I think that is important) and the tin it was not in small pieces but rings. There are many reasons why I did this changes. I have include a drawing how I did the rings look like. There are many many things to tell you about. You ask me anything.. Thank you S Date: Mon, 20 Mar 2000 00:02:02 EET To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Please do not publicize my mail. Keep it for you only. And if someone want to ask something let him ask it to your site and I will see it and answer or you can redirect the mail to me. Thank you. To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Tue, 21 Mar 2000 14:19:45 EET Hello William, I have some answers for you. I also want to tell you few things about me in relation to the antigravity capacitor I did. I did it only because it promise unlimited freedom to me. I will construct a one person flying vehicle (like a chair don’t know yet, which shape I will use) with my friends help so people can realize what is happening. But there are so many things in life that make me feel bad and distress. My job is giving me problems and I have so many problems with my girlfriend and so many questions for my future. Sometimes I am desperate and I want to disappear. Yesterday night I had a nightmare. And today I feel really bad. I hope thinks will change for me. >I wonder, are the small slots necessary? Or will the capacitor still >produce gravity thrust if the foil ring is made solid, with no slots? >Or, if fewer slots are used, is the gravity thrust very small? I Think that is very important. I think the shape of the ring is the hart of the module. I can’t tell for sure for all these combinations, I have to try them first. >Is the glass box filled with oil? Or is the capacitor dry, in air? No, no oil inside the glass box (I haven’t try that). Is dry I only used the glass box for some kind of protection. And I do not know yet if is really protecting me or my mind just think that its protecting me..?? >Does this "field" prevent a flashlight from operating? Or a 100-watt AC >light bulb? Perhaps it only harms transistors, but not hot wires, not >batteries? I think you are correct electronics have problem around 10 cm away from cap and not live wires ( with 220 volts ) (light in the room is not affected but is 4-5 meters away), I don’t know for batteries but I guess you are correct. I have to experiment. I will do that. >If you turn off the VDG, does the thrust slowly decrease? Or does the >thrust vanish instantly when the VDG stops? (Is the thrust caused by the >CHARGE, or by the electric current (microamperes of leakage current in the >paper dielectric?) > >Also, how many metal layers in your capacitor? 781 waxpaper layers and 390 metal layers, I made 13 teams of 15 positive and 15 negatives, using a primitive switching circuit having 13 switches for trust control ( Those 13 switches add trust and cannot reduce of course). Look how I do operate the module I switch the VDG on and after 10 sec I connect the + of VDG wire to the + (up as was) of the capacitor.(- is connected to vdg) With 13 switches on It takes less than 1 sec for the instant thrust to its maximum ( maximum for my VDG ) Now (capacitor uncharged) If I switch on 1 by 1 the 13 switches the thrust do the same. Gets greater and greater. I disconnect the vdg and still the thrust is there. When you have to discharge better discharge step step ( even step step is dangerous ) Well I think and I feel that thrust is caused by the charge. My VDG and any vdg I think can only give a very very small amount of current. >Idea: build a VERY SMALL gravity capacitor. (How small before the thrust >becomes zero?) Enclose it in solidified epoxy glue. Charge it, then >enclose the metal terminals in glue also. It will be safe, at least >electrically. It will be like a solid plastic block, a "gravity magnet". >Can it fly fast around the room? Attach an equal weight, and if floats >like a balloon? Or attach it to the rim of a bicycle wheel, and let it >spin forever. > I see what you mean. I think size is proportional to trust and even if you make a small one, trust will be small. And you have to use thiner dielectric and metal as well. Yes I think you can do all these. I haven’t try yet but I think that even if you cover (- or +) holes with metal will not affect the trust. Non metal does not affect the thrust. The thrust passes through >I will try to build a gravity capacitor eventually. I wish to learn, are >the slots needed? I think yes they are Important Does a small capacitor also work? I think yes it can ( the number of layers is also important, probably if you use better materials you will not need so many layers, All those to get a good capacitance. Because the thrust is in the shape of the ring ) >Or flat and thin capacitor like a disk? Or narrow like a pipe? Build TWO >gravity >capacitors. Do they attract by gravity, or repel? Does plastic >dielectric also work? Copper, or aluminum plates? Or only tin metal will >produce the gravity effect? If polycarbonate dielectric, or acrylic, or >polyethelene (garbage bags) will create the gravity effect, then the >charge will not leak away for months, or years. Wax paper is not the best >insulator. > All those to answer I have to reconstruct the capacitor with different shape and materials. But again I will tell you what I can feel. Important is the shape and not the capacitance. I mean the SHAPE for producing that kind of force and capacitance (trapping of big charge) to win more thrust. >But first, I must do what you have done. Alterations to the plans might >cause failure. Even if I duplicate your capacitor, it might fail to work >for mysterious reasons (different kind of wax, different location on the >earth, etc.) I don’t think so. Is not so sensitive as it looks actually. Great Importance must give to the alingment of the layers. That’s all. I could say that if you have the parts ready it will take you 2 weeks to complete it using solid rings as the one I sent you. Something more I want to tell you is that probably the thrust I have is weak and not the real one that this unit can give, by using different source of charge or materials with the same size. Did you receive the image I send? Because ISP is not sending often. Take care Pardon me for not telling who I am. I feel that you are a good and clever person to trust. But my friends will kill me If I do tell my name and where I leave. I will tell you my name and everything soon, when people start making the capacitor and the idea spreads. Thank you. To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 04:40:42 EET Hello William >Do the demons from the other world come to torment anyone who attempts to >improve mankind by "weird science" discoveries? :) If that is happening then I am in trouble. The people who know me call my the logical boy (I disagree). That is because they think that my thinking always is based in logic. That annoying most people and special the girls who wants you romantic. Well I am not so logical as the people around me think, I can prove that immediately. I believe in "demons" and in existence of ufos and many unexplained phenomena (don't forget the unexplained everyday force "gravity", who "most" people do not know what is really happening {I am one of them}). So, look who the people call logical boy, me. I know little about demons and spirits but I feel that there is something (somewhere or nowhere and everywhere). I hate to mess with spirits and that things.. I do not want that. I hope is not demons. >For me, I think it comes from unusual research, not demons. It leads me >to realize that the world is not the way everyone believes. And so I am >disconnected from normal life, even though I must live in the "normal" >world and notice all the lies. It causes psychological depression. It >can destroy your life. However, should I prefer to be blind to the real >world, and therefore happy? No.... > I feel the same way, Something like I don't belong to my world. When I was baby I always brake my toys to understand how is working. I do that until now in every device in mankind known to me. When I was 14 I saw a dream about a magnetokinetic using coils combination that produces free electricity. I had so real in my mind the module that i was ready to build it. I told to my father and he smile saying "do it first and then be exited". Same day I draw the combination in paper as I saw it in dream. I calculate every single force in the drawing and then I show it to different physicists from school. Well that is what they told me: Every one of them was saying that it will not work because of some nonsenses reasons, every one of them tell me different problem finding correct what others said it was fault. Only one Physicist told me the truth. Which was that: I can't prove that your machine works by recalculating your calculations. Many times (if not always)proofs in papers is not 100% correct, so I can't say if it works or not. Now If I say that it works and free energy is reality, Then me a physicist teaching young people physics know nothing and all those years in university was waste of time" After that conversation I didn't tried to build it. Last years inside internet I saw a similar patent called "free energy motor". We are crazy or people around us is..???? I will try as well to be "blind to the real world, and therefore happy?" And soon people will be very very happy with the use of that fantastic capacitor. The planet will change soon. >Another possibility: weird science devices create unknown radiation, and >maybe this causes mental problems. Why are "fringe scientists" insane? >Not because insane people are attracted to weird science, but maybe >because weird devices cause brain damage. If true, then your antigravity >aircraft gives you freedom, but makes you suicidal. Build an "antigravity >balloon", with the basket far below the capacitor, to gain safety from >distance? Distance, yes. I think that you know is not easy to prevent your self in any way (even distance) if you don't know the enemy. """work from safe distance"" ( how far is the safe? ) I have to experience first so I have to risk and eat all the unwanted energy. I am so afraid of using the device, you can't imagine.! After all those. But I have to use it so I can record it and take photos. Actually I will borrow a web cam first from a friend to make some avi's and img's for your web site. After I will make a full video tape. >New web page: http://www.amasci.com/caps/capworks.txt > >I ran spell-check on your messages, and deleted personal parts. If you >agree, I will link capworks.txt to the capwarp.html webpage. Or, suggest >changes or additions? You know much better than me what to do. Feel free to use any of my texts personal or not. The point is people to understand (those who afraid that will waste their time) that they CAN duplicate that thing and change the world life. Only please do not tell to anyone my mail yet. Thank you I will keep you informed To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 15:08:59 EET Hello, Every day I feel better and better. I haven't operate the capacitor for nearly 2 weeks. >Another question! What is the thrust from one group of 60 (just one of >your switches turned on) And for two groups? If 780 plates gives 5.48KG >thrust, does 60 plates give 42 grams thrust? """I am sure that each team of plates make thrust."""" But I haven't calculate yet exact readings with each switch on. With few words , I am not sure that every layer "add" or "multiply" its thrust to the system. Yes, the plates "add" capacitance and not multiply. But does the same happened with thrust?. I will answer to you that in my next activation of device. I yesterday rent a studio near my house and I am going to move the capacitor and everything in there, so I have more space to operate the unit from distance etc. Because where I have it now is in my small basement of my house (3,5 x 3 meters). I am too near to it and I am afraid to operate. >I'm thinking, maybe 800 plates are not required for the demonstration. If >only 30 plates will create thrust which is easy to measure, then anybody >can demonstrate this device quickly, even cutting the few plates by hand. > >Another thought: If 780 plates can lift their own weight, can TWO plates >also lift their own weight? (glue the two foils to the wax paper, hold it >in your hand, charge with VDG and ground wire, can it lift itself if you >release it into the air?) How few plates are needed to "levitate"? >(perhaps glue the foils and wax paper together, or melt it with a clothing >iron, so it holds itself together without any need for heavy screws or >end-plates. Will it fly?) > Well I believe YES. without being 100% sure again. I have to experience first, I will answer all those to you soon. Friday or Monday I have to travel for my company to another country for business, and I will get back Thursday or Friday. I have my friends who are exited and they helping me alot working in my new place to make small research base, for continuing the experiments and make a so wanted vehicle. I can also understand that all those questions you ask, are for understanding the effect and duplicate it more easily. Again I can't say if I don't try. Its a "law". And I am a practical person. Theory only make you think happy but practical makes you "really" happy. Its far better than sex, for me. To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 23:06:03 EET > >If you have time, could you inspect I will do read it of course. >http://www.amasci.com/caps/capworks.txt and look for MY mistakes? >Are the numbers I give at the top correct? Was the 5.48KG a measure of >sideway thrust, or upwards thrust? If upwards, then the TRUE thrust is >5.48 plus the .96 downwards weight. > Correct, it was Upwards thrust and the numbers you have are correct, just add them to get the sideway thrust. My mistake if I didn't mention it. Thanks To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 00:13:55 Hello, >If others build this capacitor and discuss it on FREENRG-L, we will have >to warn them about the possible danger, and constantly question them: "do >you feel bad, or sick, or depressed." A person who experimented with the >"GRC GRAVITY RESONANCE COIL" in 1991 felt similar problems and was >hospitalized. It's the "gravity influenza?" If nobody reports this >problem, then perhaps the capacitor does not cause bad health. Perhaps >you aquired a case of mild influenza or something, and it was simply a >coincidence that you performed capacitor experiments at the same time. Probably, Probably not. Can you tell me if there is any instrument to measure unwanted energy? I will go and buy them immediatly. But people who going to make the capacitor should know that they need protection until we measure anything. > > GRC coil > http://www.amasci.com/freenrg/gravity3.txt > >I do not have tin foil. I bought some long ago, but gave it to a friend >for different experiments. I will try copper and lead, and with just a >few layers, just to see if anything happens. If I suspend the capacitor >from a string, so the axis is horizontal, then even a tiny sideways thrust >will become easily visible, and perhaps the harmful effects will be >smaller. (A long pendulum is very sensitive, it is like "zero-G" in a >spacecraft, and any tiny drive force can be observed.) > Exactly.. >Perhaps tin is required. Are you familiar with the Townsend Brown gravity >experiments? He claimed that heavier elements give more thrust. He >recommended lead oxide for capacitor dielectric. If true, then depeleted >uranium metal foil might work best. (But his thrust was small and >difficult to measure, and difficult to distinguish from "electric wind >thrust.") > I am familiar to all Great people as Tesla, Brown, etc. I see what you mean. I still study and collect infos about that. Metals for the capacitor you can find at: www.advent-rm.com > >Another question: If both ends are positive or negative, does thrust >vanish? I mean, capacitor looks like this: > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >Most of the capacitor is neutral, except for the ends. If we remove just >ONE PLATE, then the capacitor looks like this: > > +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > >It's almost the same, but now WHICH WAY DOES IT THRUST? See the problem? >All the thrust is coming just from the end plates? I doubt that. But if >the middle part of the capacitor is symmetrical, then how can it >contribute any thrust? Or think like this... if these two capacitors give >zero thrust: > > 1. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+ > > > > 2. -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >But if we combine them, then the thrust becomes huge????? If true, then >WHY???? > > > 1. with 2. +-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >Maybe the thrust would be greater if thicker dielectric was used on >alternate plates, like this: > > +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- +- > >It makes the capacitor asymmetrical, so it "knows" which way to thrust. >Or maybe not. Perhaps the thrust does not come from polarity, but >actually comes from small mistakes in the layers, and if you could build a >"perfect" capacitor, then the thrust would be zero. If so, we need to >discover which mistakes cause the force, and make more such mistakes! > >Perhaps the capacitor behaves like a magnet, and if it is bent, and joined >into a circle, then the "poles" vanish and the gravity goes to zero, like >this: > > (where are the "ends?") > > -+-+-+-+-+ > + - > - + > + - > - + > + - > - + > + - > - + > +-+-+-+-+- > >Then, cut the circle anywhere to create two opposite "gravity poles." >Works? > >Perhaps you can control the entire thrust with JUST ONE PLATE. If the >last plate is individually switched, then perhaps you can turn off the >thrust like this: > > thrust on + -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > > thrust off - -+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+-+- > >Notice that "thrust off" makes both ends negative. If this should work, >then the rest of the capacitor can be permanently charged and safely >sealed in epoxy (full of quartz powder?) Then, alter the polarity of the >last plate to control even a huge thrust. It becomes an amplifier which >is controlled by a tiny signal, but the "power supply" of the amplifier is >a free-energy effect. To build a free-energy piston engine, turn the >capacitor on and off. I didn't tell you about that yet. First: The capacitor I think should not have the same metal material for + and -. The inventor tryed to make something different, Which have same metals for both + and -. So thats why I feel The thrust should be much much better using the correct metal to correct position. Second: The combination you think about ( -+-+-+-+-+ or -+-+-+-+-+- ) I think of that. +1-1+1-1+1-1+1-1+1 = 1 Batteries connected to that way will not function at all. -1+1-1+1-1+1-1+1-1 = -1 Batteries connected to that way will not function at all. +1-1+1-1+1-1+1-1 = 0 The balance is the key in the universe. That is the correct "tuning" of the device. I Also want to tell you that I "think" that the capacitor is a time machine as well. How I can measure time distortions? Having the scalar (4d waves) theory in my mind. The intersecting e-m fields in such a capacitor device would have a great effect of the shape and vibrations of 4d space. I am going to prove that by passing a watch through the hole, any other suggestion??? Thanks. To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 13:55:15 EET >From: William Beaty >Subject: Re: it works!! >Date: Wed, 22 Mar 2000 16:25:00 -0800 (PST) > >On Wed, 22 Mar 2000, wrote: > > > > > > > > >If you have time, could you inspect > > I will do read it of course. > >Did I get the number of foils right? 390 foils, with two wax paper sheets >between each? > >Just remembered: Does the capacitor lift itself with less than 13 >switches turned on? How many switches to give zero weight? If each group >gives the same thrust, then one switch gives .495KG lift, and two switches >should make it gently rise. Or does it take more active groups before it >rises? > I will unscrew the upper end, and I will do something Quick, just to test if a team will work alone. I have many CDs around. I will place 2-3 cds on each side and catch them together with (the things you hang clothes to get dry on a outdoor sting ),With the team of 30 in the middle of course. I will hang the device with a string. and charge. I will mail you the resalts anyway... Look at my draft drawing. I have so much work to do with my job maybe complete the test tomorrow... To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Thu, 23 Mar 2000 15:07:19 EET Thank you so much for your information.!! You are a live encyclopedia. Perhaps it >alters the resistance of resistors, or makes electrolytic capacitors >become conductive. Or the quartz crystal oscillator in the digital >section could go crazy. Could be lots of things, but might be easy to >find out. I actually don't mean those kind of energy William. I just don't want to be dead for any reason. for example: to perform different experiments and somehow to be transported inside the earth or in outer space, if that machine distort time. What will happen if I see my self walking in my house? Can you tell me how to understand if the affected area of time distortion is controllable? how? I want to do the experiment I sent you on my other mail first, and then I will do the experiment with the watch through the hole. I am curious what will happen? and I will make the time sensors you suggest as well if the watch come out through the other end and not transported somewhere. >Others who experiment with weird gravity devices say that the gravity >effect changes over the hours, depending upon distant stars and galaxies >which are directly overhead as the earth rotates. In the book "Shape >Power" by Dan Davidson, one experimenter had small cardboard pyramids fly >off and shatter a wall, as if the cardboard became extremely heavy for a >moment. Beaware that the capacitor thrust can suddenly change >unexpectedly. Maybe. Would the capacitor suddenly create 1000KG and >punch a hole in the ceiling? During a solar eclipse, will the capacitor >stop working? If you are floating at 5000 feet altitude, carry a >parachute! > That is what I also believe. Yes.. The capacitor should be much more powerful than it is now. We need more infos about WHAT is happening when the capacitor has that shape.???? Something with the shape of the ring. I don't think that full solid rings will work the tooths is the secret. I think is the start to our questions. I will keep you informed. I will be traveling that weekend until middle of next week. Thanks To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gravity Capacitor (fwd) Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:36:53 EET For you: Thank you for sending me others mail, I really appreciate that. I hope the capacitor soon will be No1 mater in all world. Remember that. To experimenter.. >Have you asked this guy for pictures of his Grav-cap? You have to wait few days more. I want to explain that I want to sent you picture and video the device live to see its thrust. And I am trapped, fearing to use it. Bad feelings and nightmares, {Is probably worse). But I have to do it so soon you 'll receive video "avi" with my live capacitor (beast) in next days (next week I 'll return from my business travel and set to work and experiment), (I hope without any fear). Take my word at the moment, and start building it to see it in front of you, is easy to duplicate a "part" of it. Or wait for pictures to come. >Has anyone looking into the properties of Tin? >Tin's crystaline structure is tetragonal... Thank you for the information, I haven't "complete" my study on materials for use for the capacitor yet. To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: it works!! Date: Fri, 24 Mar 2000 04:46:32 EET >Another question for future testing: is the capacitor thrust exactly the >same for vertical as for horizontal (once we compensate for the weight of >the capacitor)? Good Point: easy to perform if I charge the cap. I Also want to thank you for giving me all your valuable thinking. I wish I could come visit you with the cap there to test it together. You see I have to win some money to travel to you first. Definitly not from the capacitor. But I am sure one day we will see each other and talk and experience together. Thanks. Date: Sat, 25 Mar 2000 15:19:19 EET To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Gravity Capacitor (fwd) Hello.. Room temperature is most at 22 celsius. I Checked the mailing list at FREENRG-L as you tell me. I didn't know about it. Interesting! I can't understand why people is so afraid that is a hoax. Can you please place that text somewhere that people who write inside the FREENRG-L can read. Thank you. --------------------------------------------------------------------- Hello, I will say to all people believers or not. I do not care if you do or don't believe me. Because all people will believe soon. It start when I report success to Bill, because I know he can help me and suggest to me how to do different testings. And he did help me allot, still do. And I thank him . Then it was suggested to make a extra page for my successive experiment linked from the patent page. I thought positively because people can do their tests as well and improve or find new things about that strange capacitor. After all is not secret any more ( starting with 2 friends and my family who have seen the capacitor live )I am not always above the patent testing it. I Also have job, family, (problems and problems) time is very valuable thing for me as for everyone. I know that the device is not easy to construct it. It takes time. That is why people are afraid to start making it (is much easier to call it a hoax and put it away, and life is ok again). If it could be done in 5 minutes then none would write mail saying that is a hoax BEFORE HE CONSTRUCT IT. So All I am saying to you is stop thinking negatively about something before actually see it and test it, Because has allot of question marks that patent. Also do not make theories that maybe are not involved with the effect. I even don't know yet what is hapenning, I will know when I 'll be able to complete a set of tests. {{{Also I can't believe that none has ever build that capacitor at the past (do you?). I am sure that some people did it and today are dead. (or in other planets, or they travel it "time" somewhere accidentally???}}}} All my information and construction details, as well as live testing of the device ( i hope I will include a fling chair with a person on it) will be inside a video tape which I will make copies and send to all TV stations I can. ( of course I will cover my face in video ) BUILD THE CAPACITOR AND SEE. -------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 26 Mar 2000 16:49:11 EEST To: billb@eskimo.com Subject: Re: Thickness of foil? Its thikness is 0.025 mm Purity 97.8+ % I have to go. I will travel in few ours. I will be back next Saturday. I will have a laptop with me but I don't know if I will be able to recieve my mail or send. take care. Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 07:51:12 -0700 (PDT) From: s Subject: Re: hello To: William Beaty > > Did you build one?? > > No, many things intervened, including my divorce > from my wife. I am sorry to hear that. I am surre you and your people will do great after all these changes. > Several people have built the capacitor device. See > the website > (w/photographs) at > http://www.imagineanything.com/energy/rocket.htm > Only > one person has reported success, but he acts > strangely and I don't know if he is truthful. Yes I read the dialogue. He probably says the truth. But is difficult to believe that none else have succed with the capacitor. > One possible problem: others turn on their > high-voltage power supply > slowly. In your experiment, whenever you turn on > switch number two, then > the first charged group of plates will INSTANTLY > charge the next group of > plates (with rise-time far below one millisecond.) > There will be a very > large pulse of current. Perhaps this is the key to > success. No other > researcher has EXACTLY duplicated your device, > including the 13 switches. > Perhaps the 13 switches are required. Try this: if > the 13 switches are > closed (turned on) BEFORE the VandeGraaff machine is > running, then when > the VDG is started the charge will rise slowly, and > no gravity thrust will > appear. > > Another possible problem: the compression screws > must be "tuned" for best > results, and if the tin/wax stack is too tight *OR* > too loose, then the > gravity thrust would be zero. Perhaps you had very > good luck, and > stumbled upon the correct settings right at the > start? Others here have > not tried varying the amount of screw-compression. > They simply crank the > stack down to maximum compression. > The maximum compression is for getting the air out of the stacked plates and not only... Also the strongly pressed dielectric (I call it gravitomagnetic force)from the plates can reduce the input voltage. > If this is not true, then I don't know why others > cannot reproduce your > results. > > I do not know what to say about that.? I still read the old discutions Date: Wed, 30 Aug 2000 08:08:27 -0700 (PDT) From: s Subject: Re: photo? To: William Beaty > A photograph of your successful device will answer > many questions and > perhaps let others duplicate your discovery > *exactly*. A partial > duplication gives zero thrust. Some "key > ingredient" is missing. I will try to give you anything I can. Even sent you the capacitor. I need some time to get to normal life again. A job maybe. It is difficult for me to get my mail. I have to go to internet cafe to get it. I will keep you informed. Date: Thu, 31 Aug 2000 01:55:57 -0700 (PDT) From: s Subject: Re: hello To: William Beaty --- William Beaty wrote: > There are many stories about inventors > of "free energy" being > harassed by the government on separate issues not > connected with their > research. Being anonymous, I don't know how you > could attract attention. I am anonymous only to the people out of my country. About the capacitor, Knows only me my 3 close friends and some persons of my family, and the army person, but I lost my mobile phone and I no longer have my old address, I stay in a friend's house until I get my own. I have secured the capacitor in a friends place. Is safe. > It sounds like the free energy "curse." > Conspiracies to suppress the > world-shaking inventions cannot explain it. Build a > free energy device, > and you attract bad luck. Even to me it is dificult to believe that, since that capacitor start flying I have only bad luck. But I am realy confident about the future. > The internal workings are a mystery. Two layers do > not give a small > fraction of the total thrust of the entire stack, > instead they give zero > thrust. Maybe... Maybe not, if the value of thrust is so small can be andetectable for 2 layers. I believe that the thrust goes geometricaly upwards. and 30 layers prooved to me that have thrust at the past. The capacitor remains unexplained on how it works realy and I feel some extra dimentions involved to that device, that are not familiar to our knowledge. >"C" is convinced that microwave > oscillations appear. Perhaps if > conditions are slightly wrong, the oscillations are > not triggered. or perhaps we could oscilate and not pass voltage to the capacitor to get it to work. I could try to place the capacitor inside the microwave oven and see if I get anything. What you think? > This > capacitor might be similar to a burning candle. > With all materials > correct, we still don't know how to light fire to > the candle's wick. > If you still have your equipment, try closing all > switches before turning > on the VDG machine. When the VDG is then turned on, > does the thrust > appear or not? If yes, then the switches are not > the problem. However, > if no thrust appears, then the switch-impulse might > be the missing > ingredient. > I was always first starting the vdg and later closing the switches. Also the knife swiches I was using always create a spark before the contact. Maybe there is the key. I have to make my capacitor not working with the same input voltage. So I can get to your point of non working capacitor. I have seen only success from what I have. > If you wish to quickly start a small, temporary > business, perhaps you can > sell tin foil rings and wax paper by mail? Other > people have hand-cut the > metal shapes. If you can supply the metal foil > shapes quickly in large > quantity, several people have interest in buying > them. I was going to > produce rings by die-cutter and sell them at my > cost, but still have not > started this. It would be better if photographs > were on internet first, > but even without more evidence, several people would > buy the foil and wax > paper shapes. Also, dental suppliers in the USA > sell tin foil in rolls > for several dollars per pound. And if "C" is > correct, aluminum and copper > in alternate layers will also produce thrust. > Aluminum and copper foil is > inexpensive and easy to find. I have to go to the shop that cut for me the plates. I will think about selling William. I need money faster. I have a plan. > > > I will try to give you anything I can. Even sent > you the capacitor. > > Don't lose your capacitor! Instead, build a > functioning copy. I will. Suppose > that the original capacitor is lost forever in the > mail. Suppose that > when you build a copy, it is not identical and it > gives zero thrust. > Always maintain a large fear that you could lose the > thrust-effect and not > regain it again. A similar thing happened to Mike > Huffman in 1996 (on > freenrg-L). He built a water-vortex rotor which > seemed to self-rotate and > give free energy. But then it destroyed itself (it > was plastic, and > melted.) After several years of work, he never > again attained success. > All his other rotors were not enough identical to > the original one, and > he never rediscovered the "magic." http://www.padrak.com/ine/INE22.html > > > > Recent Documented Examples of Suppression > > From Paul Brown's written Open Letter (Brown 1991): > "I have been involved > with alternative energy research since 1978, while > still a college > student. Over the years I have heard many nightmare > stories about people > who developed something significant only to be > persecuted, harassed, > prosecuted, and even killed. ... As time went on, > and in about 1982, I > became involved in work of some significance and > received some minor > criticism and skepticism that I found to be > beneficial as well as > practical ... However, things began to change, > slowly and alarmingly. The > more success I had in my endeavors, the more I began > to attract dishonest > and greedy people. In 1987 we decided it was time to > let the world know > what we were working on and the results we were > getting. ... But this was > the real beginning of the worst. Since that February > 1987, I or my company > have been persecuted by the State Dept. of Health; > then the Idaho Dept. of > Finance filed a civil complaint; ... I began to > receive threats; > securities fraud charges were then filed against my > company and my self; > then the tax man; then the SEC; then my wife was > assaulted; my house was > robbed three times; twice I was accused of drug > manufacturing; I lost my > home; and most recently my mother's car was pipe > bombed. ... I am here to > tell you it is not coincidence. I now understand why > some inventors drop > out from society. My advice to you is keep a low > profile until you have > completed your endeavor; be selective in choosing > your business partners; > protect yourself and your family; know that the > nightmare stories are > true." "God speed, Good Luck in your endeavors, and > Never lose The Faith." Thank you alote William. You can count on me. I' ll talk to you soon. Date: Sat, 2 Sep 2000 09:52:32 -0700 (PDT) From: s Subject: Re: hello To: William Beaty Hello William, > > > The internal workings are a mystery. Two layers > do > > > not give a small > > > fraction of the total thrust of the entire > stack, > > > instead they give zero > > > thrust. Is not logical but can be true. > > Maybe... Maybe not, if the value of thrust is so > small > > can be andetectable for 2 layers. > > Hang the 2 layers from #30 wire, with thrust > directed > sideways. Apply high voltage. This should detect > thrust even if milligrams. But no movement, not > even a mm. > Air currents in the room cause slight movement, > but the high voltage does not. > I have to tell you that I have done simmilar test using 2 layer before constructing the capacitor and I had a week kick!! I know that you are worried about all the people who had no results. But I can not worry about that. Mine is working like hell. Must be something that we missing, and soon will be found out what is the mistery. I bet my head that the mistery was in the missing page of the patent. > > > I believe that the > > thrust goes geometricaly upwards. > > If so, then 2 layers would have far less than > 1/15x the thrust of 30 layers. > > > and 30 layers > > prooved to me that have thrust at the past. > > Were these 30 layers a separate capacitor, or were > they part of the 700 layer stack? > Yes part of the 700 layers. > > > "C" is convinced that microwave > > > oscillations appear. Perhaps if > > > conditions are slightly wrong, the oscillations > are > > > not triggered. > > What tests "C" is doing right now? > > or perhaps we could oscilate and not pass voltage > to > > the capacitor to get it to work. > > I could try to place the capacitor inside the > > microwave > > oven and see if I get anything. What you think? > > Microwave ovens can set fire to thin foil because of > resistive heating. And anyway, if the capacitor > creates RF output, the microwave oven wouldn't be > set to the same frequency. Better to first > detect any RF on the capacitor when flying, then > try pumping that same frequency into the capacitor > with a power amplifier. Maybe it would alter > the thrust. > The thrust looks very promicing. The problem a supose is to get it working, as most people can't get positive result. > > I have to go to the shop that cut for me the > plates. > > I will think about selling William. > > I need money faster. I have a plan. The shop can still provide me layers. If I give them the foil, as I did at the past. What to use for dielectric?? Shall I use waxed paper as the first capacitor? or milar or ?? As the patent states and I can understand that the dielectric must be with good K factor, for very very slow discharge. It can't make diference in thrust. Shall I add oil between layers to limit the traped air? I ask you all these because I have to make a second one to sent it to you. You have better knowledge than me, and you can do your testings and spead it much easily out to people. I am not saying that I will not work on it. But I have no money and no job right now.I will start experiments with the capacitor soon because that thing is on my mind since I made it. I have plans using that device, If I get a bit lucky. I already rent a house and I mooving in. Twommorow I go to get the capacitor and my old equipment. My friends helping me alote here and I believe soon I will have a job. :) Take care